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		<title>By: Quota photo: Misty Cliffs &#124; 6000 miles from civilisation...</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/stop-zuma/comment-page-1/#comment-7999</link>
		<dc:creator>Quota photo: Misty Cliffs &#124; 6000 miles from civilisation...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all the fuss and palaver over the Stop Zuma campaign yesterday (and throughout today) I thought it was best to give myself and my readership a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 6000</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/stop-zuma/comment-page-1/#comment-7013</link>
		<dc:creator>6000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CuppaCoffee &gt; Indeed, but if you look at his &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/hartley/2009/04/23/split-votes-handing-the-da-the-western-cape/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post earlier in the day&lt;/a&gt;, people in the Western Cape wanted the DA as their Provincial leaders, but actually voted proportionately LESS for the DA in the National elections - which was where they could have chosen to... er... Stop Zuma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CuppaCoffee &gt; Indeed, but if you look at his <a href="http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/hartley/2009/04/23/split-votes-handing-the-da-the-western-cape/" rel="nofollow">post earlier in the day</a>, people in the Western Cape wanted the DA as their Provincial leaders, but actually voted proportionately LESS for the DA in the National elections &#8211; which was where they could have chosen to&#8230; er&#8230; Stop Zuma.</p>
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		<title>By: CuppaCoffee</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/stop-zuma/comment-page-1/#comment-7009</link>
		<dc:creator>CuppaCoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The much maligned “Stop Zuma” campaign tactic of the DA might have prevented wavering ruling party supporters from switching their allegiance to Helen Zille, but it appears to have drawn supporters away from smaller opposition parties.
In the Western Cape, the most dramatic change of political fortunes appeared to be taking place as the DA gained a more than 50 percent share of the provincial vote.&quot;

- http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/hartley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The much maligned “Stop Zuma” campaign tactic of the DA might have prevented wavering ruling party supporters from switching their allegiance to Helen Zille, but it appears to have drawn supporters away from smaller opposition parties.<br />
In the Western Cape, the most dramatic change of political fortunes appeared to be taking place as the DA gained a more than 50 percent share of the provincial vote.&#8221;</p>
<p>- <a href="http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/hartley" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/hartley</a></p>
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		<title>By: Emil</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/stop-zuma/comment-page-1/#comment-6958</link>
		<dc:creator>Emil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Newlands&#039; crowd is not an indication, then maybe the voters on Robben Island is :wink:

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Emil&#180;s last blog post was: &lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ADifferentViewOfReality/~3/l2DsfhQOXt8/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My business card for the Internet age&lt;/a&gt; (Note: &lt;i&gt;6000 miles...&lt;/i&gt; is not responsible for the content of external internet sites)&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Newlands&#8217; crowd is not an indication, then maybe the voters on Robben Island is <img src='http://6000.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><abbr><em>Emil&#180;s last blog post was: <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ADifferentViewOfReality/~3/l2DsfhQOXt8/" rel="nofollow">My business card for the Internet age</a> (Note: <i>6000 miles&#8230;</i> is not responsible for the content of external internet sites)</em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: sonkind</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/stop-zuma/comment-page-1/#comment-6916</link>
		<dc:creator>sonkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politics is, at the best of times, a dirty business. This country has so many different cultures and so many different political parties that one must think very hard and very unemotional when you go to vote. 

I have personally spoke to a lot of people these last few weeks, people that you would imagine will be voting for the ANC. The collective words out of most of these people&#039;s mouths were: &quot;We want to stop Zuma. He is a bad example for our children, for our people.&quot;

Is Helen Zille not only promising to give them what they ask for? It is not that we want to see the country fail to be able to say we were right about Zuma - that would be utterly foolish. But you know the saying: &quot;Prevention is better than cure&quot;. That is SO damn right.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;sonkind&#180;s last blog post was: &lt;a href=&quot;http://sonkind.co.za/?p=1625&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tandem - hoofstuk 3&lt;/a&gt; (Note: &lt;i&gt;6000 miles...&lt;/i&gt; is not responsible for the content of external internet sites)&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politics is, at the best of times, a dirty business. This country has so many different cultures and so many different political parties that one must think very hard and very unemotional when you go to vote. </p>
<p>I have personally spoke to a lot of people these last few weeks, people that you would imagine will be voting for the ANC. The collective words out of most of these people&#8217;s mouths were: &#8220;We want to stop Zuma. He is a bad example for our children, for our people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Helen Zille not only promising to give them what they ask for? It is not that we want to see the country fail to be able to say we were right about Zuma &#8211; that would be utterly foolish. But you know the saying: &#8220;Prevention is better than cure&#8221;. That is SO damn right.</p>
<p><abbr><em>sonkind&#180;s last blog post was: <a href="http://sonkind.co.za/?p=1625" rel="nofollow">Tandem &#8211; hoofstuk 3</a> (Note: <i>6000 miles&#8230;</i> is not responsible for the content of external internet sites)</em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Jacques</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a lifelong DA supporter - a PFP supporter and youth activist back in the day - I&#039;ve no doubts that Anthony is right on the math. I&#039;ve met the key strategists, and they are smart. My concern is similar to that expressed by 6K, and revolves around the ethics (and also strategy, as I&#039;ll explain). On ethics: these things play on people&#039;s irrational fears, even though this particular fear isn&#039;t necessarily irrational. I&#039;m reluctant to endorse a political move that exploits paranoia, in case it fosters further paranoia.

Broadly, on strategy, the GOTV phase may work on the day, but this isn&#039;t a one-shot game. The image of the DA is shaped by these individual iterations of a repeating game, and I don&#039;t think their interests are served in the long run by reinforcing the perception of the party as anti-something. For the first time in a long time, the party was looking positive, and seemed to be moving away from the short-term, opportunistic, and perhaps cynical days of blunders like welcoming the NNP into the fold. I had hoped for those moves to be a sign of a permanent change of strategy, and this somewhat dashes those hopes.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jacques&#180;s last blog post was: &lt;a href=&quot;http://synapses.co.za/elections-2009-stop-zuma/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SA Elections: The DA’s “Stop Zuma” campaign&lt;/a&gt; (Note: &lt;i&gt;6000 miles...&lt;/i&gt; is not responsible for the content of external internet sites)&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a lifelong DA supporter &#8211; a PFP supporter and youth activist back in the day &#8211; I&#8217;ve no doubts that Anthony is right on the math. I&#8217;ve met the key strategists, and they are smart. My concern is similar to that expressed by 6K, and revolves around the ethics (and also strategy, as I&#8217;ll explain). On ethics: these things play on people&#8217;s irrational fears, even though this particular fear isn&#8217;t necessarily irrational. I&#8217;m reluctant to endorse a political move that exploits paranoia, in case it fosters further paranoia.</p>
<p>Broadly, on strategy, the GOTV phase may work on the day, but this isn&#8217;t a one-shot game. The image of the DA is shaped by these individual iterations of a repeating game, and I don&#8217;t think their interests are served in the long run by reinforcing the perception of the party as anti-something. For the first time in a long time, the party was looking positive, and seemed to be moving away from the short-term, opportunistic, and perhaps cynical days of blunders like welcoming the NNP into the fold. I had hoped for those moves to be a sign of a permanent change of strategy, and this somewhat dashes those hopes.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Jacques&#180;s last blog post was: <a href="http://synapses.co.za/elections-2009-stop-zuma/" rel="nofollow">SA Elections: The DA’s “Stop Zuma” campaign</a> (Note: <i>6000 miles&#8230;</i> is not responsible for the content of external internet sites)</em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: 6000</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/stop-zuma/comment-page-1/#comment-6914</link>
		<dc:creator>6000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony &gt; Regarding my circle, I don&#039;t know. I have seen DA voters put off and I have seen floating voters put off. 
I accept that you have people who have done the maths and the work to ensure that the DA campaign &quot;works&quot; in whatever way you think is best. But I still think it paints a very negative picture of the party. At the end of the day, I blog what I see and this is something which I have seen and heard a lot about on various media and by word of mouth. For your sakes, I hope your guys have got their sums right. 

I recognise that (in your opinion) the ANC has made a lot of unpopular and/or incorrect decsions. But to voice your opinions and to suggest to an international audience that those decisions are going to destroy this country is a foolish and dangerous move. What good can that bring? 
We know that JZ is going to be the President after these elections and now the rest of the world has put Zille&#039;s two and two together and regards SA as the next Zimbabwe. 
Would you rather that the country fails and proves you right than succeeds under Zuma?

Once again, I do not think that these scare-tactics are warranted or ethical and I&#039;m disappointed that the DA has chosen to employ them.
I do not have an axe to grind here. I can&#039;t vote and so I am looking on almost impartially. But I still wonder whether the DA is damaging its chances of winning the Western Cape (you say not) and the reputation of the country (you blame the ANC). 

I think we&#039;re all in for an interesting ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony > Regarding my circle, I don&#8217;t know. I have seen DA voters put off and I have seen floating voters put off.<br />
I accept that you have people who have done the maths and the work to ensure that the DA campaign &#8220;works&#8221; in whatever way you think is best. But I still think it paints a very negative picture of the party. At the end of the day, I blog what I see and this is something which I have seen and heard a lot about on various media and by word of mouth. For your sakes, I hope your guys have got their sums right. </p>
<p>I recognise that (in your opinion) the ANC has made a lot of unpopular and/or incorrect decsions. But to voice your opinions and to suggest to an international audience that those decisions are going to destroy this country is a foolish and dangerous move. What good can that bring?<br />
We know that JZ is going to be the President after these elections and now the rest of the world has put Zille&#8217;s two and two together and regards SA as the next Zimbabwe.<br />
Would you rather that the country fails and proves you right than succeeds under Zuma?</p>
<p>Once again, I do not think that these scare-tactics are warranted or ethical and I&#8217;m disappointed that the DA has chosen to employ them.<br />
I do not have an axe to grind here. I can&#8217;t vote and so I am looking on almost impartially. But I still wonder whether the DA is damaging its chances of winning the Western Cape (you say not) and the reputation of the country (you blame the ANC). </p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re all in for an interesting ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/stop-zuma/comment-page-1/#comment-6913</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing you should bear in mind is that you move in a circle that is probably not representative of the general target market for the DA&#039;s campaign. 

The final result of the election comes down to the extent to which parties can turn out their support base. We might lose a few voters who find the negative campaign distasteful, but we also increase the percentage turnout of DA supporters to a much greater extent. In addition, as much as a third of ANC supporters are uncomfortable with Jacob Zuma&#039;s candidacy. Only half of its supporters think he is innocent. Going negative on Jacob Zuma can depress the ANC&#039;s turnout among those most uncomfortable with Zuma, which in a proportional representation system means we do relatively better.

And the DA isn&#039;t solely responsible for the negative publicity abroad; the ANC is. They elected Jacob Zuma as their leader; they shut down the Scorpions; they fired Vusi Pikoli because he refused to withdraw charges against Jacob Zuma; they have a draft constitutional amendment to reduce local governments to administrative arms of the national government, and thus remove the rights of opposition run councils to legitimately deviate from ANC policy. It&#039;s a complete fallacy that the messenger is responsible. 

Helen Zille wants to make sure that every voter in South Africa is aware of the risks of an ANC two-thirds majority so they can&#039;t say five or ten years down the wrong road, I should have done something to prevent this.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Anthony&#180;s last blog post was: &lt;a href=&quot;http://contributetochange.org.za/members/oceanh/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christian Helberg and Akanbi samuel are now friends&lt;/a&gt; (Note: &lt;i&gt;6000 miles...&lt;/i&gt; is not responsible for the content of external internet sites)&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing you should bear in mind is that you move in a circle that is probably not representative of the general target market for the DA&#8217;s campaign. </p>
<p>The final result of the election comes down to the extent to which parties can turn out their support base. We might lose a few voters who find the negative campaign distasteful, but we also increase the percentage turnout of DA supporters to a much greater extent. In addition, as much as a third of ANC supporters are uncomfortable with Jacob Zuma&#8217;s candidacy. Only half of its supporters think he is innocent. Going negative on Jacob Zuma can depress the ANC&#8217;s turnout among those most uncomfortable with Zuma, which in a proportional representation system means we do relatively better.</p>
<p>And the DA isn&#8217;t solely responsible for the negative publicity abroad; the ANC is. They elected Jacob Zuma as their leader; they shut down the Scorpions; they fired Vusi Pikoli because he refused to withdraw charges against Jacob Zuma; they have a draft constitutional amendment to reduce local governments to administrative arms of the national government, and thus remove the rights of opposition run councils to legitimately deviate from ANC policy. It&#8217;s a complete fallacy that the messenger is responsible. </p>
<p>Helen Zille wants to make sure that every voter in South Africa is aware of the risks of an ANC two-thirds majority so they can&#8217;t say five or ten years down the wrong road, I should have done something to prevent this.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Anthony&#180;s last blog post was: <a href="http://contributetochange.org.za/members/oceanh/" rel="nofollow">Christian Helberg and Akanbi samuel are now friends</a> (Note: <i>6000 miles&#8230;</i> is not responsible for the content of external internet sites)</em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: 6000</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/stop-zuma/comment-page-1/#comment-6912</link>
		<dc:creator>6000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard &gt; Always good to have another opinion voiced. Thanks  - and good luck! (I mean with the Stopping Zuma thing, not with the voting - that&#039;s apparently really easy)...

Robyn &gt; Thanks. Just speaking my mind. Mind you, last time I did that, you described it as codswallop. Memory like an elephant , I have, and the similarities don&#039;t stop there. (baggy knees)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard > Always good to have another opinion voiced. Thanks  &#8211; and good luck! (I mean with the Stopping Zuma thing, not with the voting &#8211; that&#8217;s apparently really easy)&#8230;</p>
<p>Robyn > Thanks. Just speaking my mind. Mind you, last time I did that, you described it as codswallop. Memory like an elephant , I have, and the similarities don&#8217;t stop there. (baggy knees)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/stop-zuma/comment-page-1/#comment-6911</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I will vote DA and I do want to STOP ZUMA... enough said?</description>
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