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		<title>By: Persona non grata</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/last-rites/comment-page-1/#comment-18124</link>
		<dc:creator>Persona non grata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am probably missing the point here a little, but if you put 60 000 - 70 000 people together in one place, for one event that finishes dead on, at a particular time, you will find issues around transport. It happens when I go to Wembley and Twickenham. Wembley works well with many different stations and transport options. Twickenham more difficult - but - at least at Twickenham they keep the bars open for a good while after each game which means that we have a few quiet drinks with the opposition supporters. Even 2hrs after a rugby match at Twickenham, you still queue outside the station (and there are portaloos for the likes of me who have been taking in a few pints since well BEFORE the game).

Anyway, my point is this: Make a day out of it, enjoy the whole thing, forget about your car, use the public transport where safe and EXPECT it all to take some time. Dont go if you you dont like the fact that it will take much longer than kick off to final whistle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am probably missing the point here a little, but if you put 60 000 &#8211; 70 000 people together in one place, for one event that finishes dead on, at a particular time, you will find issues around transport. It happens when I go to Wembley and Twickenham. Wembley works well with many different stations and transport options. Twickenham more difficult &#8211; but &#8211; at least at Twickenham they keep the bars open for a good while after each game which means that we have a few quiet drinks with the opposition supporters. Even 2hrs after a rugby match at Twickenham, you still queue outside the station (and there are portaloos for the likes of me who have been taking in a few pints since well BEFORE the game).</p>
<p>Anyway, my point is this: Make a day out of it, enjoy the whole thing, forget about your car, use the public transport where safe and EXPECT it all to take some time. Dont go if you you dont like the fact that it will take much longer than kick off to final whistle.</p>
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		<title>By: 6000</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/last-rites/comment-page-1/#comment-18094</link>
		<dc:creator>6000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ctguy &gt; Shame (as I have said time and time again) that nostalgia gets in the way of logic.

Emil &gt; And then you can sell Newlands, right? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ctguy > Shame (as I have said time and time again) that nostalgia gets in the way of logic.</p>
<p>Emil > And then you can sell Newlands, right? <img src='http://6000.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Emil</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/last-rites/comment-page-1/#comment-18089</link>
		<dc:creator>Emil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make the move! There is more parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make the move! There is more parking.</p>
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		<title>By: ctguy</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/last-rites/comment-page-1/#comment-18076</link>
		<dc:creator>ctguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will be no parking for the WC at the stadium apart from those for FIFA, sponsors, affiliates, tour operators etc.

Spectators will not be allowed to drive anywhere near the stadium. Its nice allowing parking near the stadium but whats the point if its to test WC conditions which will not allow spectator parking...?

Anywhere, any stadium, thousands of cars leaving a venue simultaneously, with or without security checks is a nightmare.  The transport chaos and lack of solutions to resolve transport around Newlands was a key reason for it being dropped as a venue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be no parking for the WC at the stadium apart from those for FIFA, sponsors, affiliates, tour operators etc.</p>
<p>Spectators will not be allowed to drive anywhere near the stadium. Its nice allowing parking near the stadium but whats the point if its to test WC conditions which will not allow spectator parking&#8230;?</p>
<p>Anywhere, any stadium, thousands of cars leaving a venue simultaneously, with or without security checks is a nightmare.  The transport chaos and lack of solutions to resolve transport around Newlands was a key reason for it being dropped as a venue.</p>
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		<title>By: 6000</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/last-rites/comment-page-1/#comment-18073</link>
		<dc:creator>6000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ctguy &gt; For the World Cup, there&#039;s no need for parking anyway. I understand that the Park &amp; Ride worked well on the weekend. I think I wrote (somewhere) that it took me 29 mins from Stadium concourse to my driveway about 16km away. 

Delboy &gt; The difference in modern, purpose-built stadiums is obvious. It works. It&#039;s just better.

TA &gt; Indeed, you are not sure. The temporary seating will come down post wc2010 and more boxes will be put in to Cape Town Stadium. 
You&#039;re right - that&#039;s where the money is, but you are naive if you don&#039;t think they have taken that into consideration when planning the new stadium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ctguy > For the World Cup, there&#8217;s no need for parking anyway. I understand that the Park &#038; Ride worked well on the weekend. I think I wrote (somewhere) that it took me 29 mins from Stadium concourse to my driveway about 16km away. </p>
<p>Delboy > The difference in modern, purpose-built stadiums is obvious. It works. It&#8217;s just better.</p>
<p>TA > Indeed, you are not sure. The temporary seating will come down post wc2010 and more boxes will be put in to Cape Town Stadium.<br />
You&#8217;re right &#8211; that&#8217;s where the money is, but you are naive if you don&#8217;t think they have taken that into consideration when planning the new stadium.</p>
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		<title>By: Tall Accountant</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/last-rites/comment-page-1/#comment-18068</link>
		<dc:creator>Tall Accountant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure of the facts but one consideration will be the # of hospitality boxes.   I believe Newlands has more and this is where WPRFU makes most of its cash.  Other than that I think the move has to happen.   Newlands is awesome but Green Point is the way of the future.   In the end - money will talk, not niceties like parking and beer queues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure of the facts but one consideration will be the # of hospitality boxes.   I believe Newlands has more and this is where WPRFU makes most of its cash.  Other than that I think the move has to happen.   Newlands is awesome but Green Point is the way of the future.   In the end &#8211; money will talk, not niceties like parking and beer queues.</p>
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		<title>By: Delboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the traffic congestion at Newlands is a joke! That should be reason enough to move to the new stadium!
.-= Delboy&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thebokandroo.com/blog/?p=1290&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Black Saturday – 12 months later&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the traffic congestion at Newlands is a joke! That should be reason enough to move to the new stadium!<br />
.-= Delboy&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://thebokandroo.com/blog/?p=1290" rel="nofollow">Black Saturday – 12 months later</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: ctguy</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/last-rites/comment-page-1/#comment-18056</link>
		<dc:creator>ctguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no comparisons in terms of access. Designated parking areas beats trying to find a spot 1km away outside somebody&#039;s house and getting a fine.

Theres also the bus shuttle...with free parking...and a free bus ride...and the majority of commuters described the shuttle as seamless.

The 11,000 bay parking garage at Allianz Arena was not repeated in CT, simply because in any city, it takes 3 hours to leave this parking  garage, as they soon found out in Munich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no comparisons in terms of access. Designated parking areas beats trying to find a spot 1km away outside somebody&#8217;s house and getting a fine.</p>
<p>Theres also the bus shuttle&#8230;with free parking&#8230;and a free bus ride&#8230;and the majority of commuters described the shuttle as seamless.</p>
<p>The 11,000 bay parking garage at Allianz Arena was not repeated in CT, simply because in any city, it takes 3 hours to leave this parking  garage, as they soon found out in Munich.</p>
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		<title>By: 6000</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/last-rites/comment-page-1/#comment-18043</link>
		<dc:creator>6000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GaiB &gt; The capacity will only be slightly higher, but the experience will be a whole lot more enjoyable. 
Apparently, there were some traffic issue before the game.

Not the organisers fault that lights at one of the major intersections went down and also worth noting that it get pretty busy arounf Newlands on match days. Strange that. 

Stan &gt; It is lovely. And I don&#039;t think they have much choice anymore.

PnG &gt; Nostalgia will always hold people back. If we ever move from Beautiful DownTown Bramall Lane, I will be heartbroken. But I&#039;ve got some great memories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GaiB > The capacity will only be slightly higher, but the experience will be a whole lot more enjoyable.<br />
Apparently, there were some traffic issue before the game.</p>
<p>Not the organisers fault that lights at one of the major intersections went down and also worth noting that it get pretty busy arounf Newlands on match days. Strange that. </p>
<p>Stan > It is lovely. And I don&#8217;t think they have much choice anymore.</p>
<p>PnG > Nostalgia will always hold people back. If we ever move from Beautiful DownTown Bramall Lane, I will be heartbroken. But I&#8217;ve got some great memories.</p>
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		<title>By: Persona non grata</title>
		<link>http://6000.co.za/last-rites/comment-page-1/#comment-18040</link>
		<dc:creator>Persona non grata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a bit like the old and new Wembley debate of a few years ago. The new one makes attending sporting and other events a pleasure - I just never feel crowded out there. We just gotta move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a bit like the old and new Wembley debate of a few years ago. The new one makes attending sporting and other events a pleasure &#8211; I just never feel crowded out there. We just gotta move on.</p>
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